A lot of how I became involved in this whole area of neuro theology, came from those very pursuits, trying to understand the nature of the world around us, how do we make sense out of it. And as I went through in my own thought processes, I realized more and more that it was very difficult to know exactly what was right and what was wrong. It was a very profound moment where I realized that there was no way I was ever going to get an answer to these questions and instead of being completely depressing and feeling like there was no hope at all it was a tremendous release that I didn't have to keep looking for that answer. And so it was a feeling of surrender, it was an intense feeling and an experience that I referred to in my in my book called Infinite doubt that it was basically just that we would never know anything. That experience in and of itself was something that was very positive for me and allowed me to kind of release those anxieties and fears of never really getting to an answer.